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Error to innitialize BDE

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Leo
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Again with me and the XP box I The application we are creating in Pdox9sp3 did work on the XP workstation running from the server. The settup uses a shared IDAPI.CFG on server harddrive thats mapped as G on all the workstations. The IDAPI points to the .NET file thats on G also. Suddenly the app won't run on the XP workstation any more with this error:

Could not initialize BDE.:
You have attemted to open a database that is in use by someone else, but the database cannot be shared. you must set the location for the .NET control file.

The workstation can access the app and edit the files but the program won't run.

I'm thinking XP's is living on that workstation on borrowed time. Next error i'm whiping it. Harrrrr

I'll be very appreciative of any help though :)
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>>under prolonged and hard interogation the operator of that station admitted<< I like that, it's the way to treat 'em!

Seriously now, I'm with Jedstar on the AF hunch at the mention of the dreaded BlueGears..
I can't remember have you inheritied this application ?

Thats enough of that. Ed.

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I managed to de-AF a couple of applications with only a few tables a couple years back, but I have to be honest and say it wasn't that easy and I have since forgotten the actual modus operandi. By the sound of the size of the application you have there, unless you want to end up totally bonkers Yikes! it's best to leave it as AF. If it is to be compounded with the PDE I can only suggest you get your Prozac right now or find some other method of distribution.

It does sound as though there are some duplicate files lurking around so here's the same suggestion which got me started - compile an empty applcation with AF and then dissect it together with the various files. Then run file searches everywhere for the various AF file extensions and see how many instances of 'that one' file you can find!

Whilst this last bit is more applicable to the PDE, I also seem to recall that the AF had a habit on occasion of replacing your form or whatever with a fresh copy of it's stock item, in which case the source files need checking as well Big Grin! .
If you look back through the boards you will probably find some of the posts I made when looking for information on AF\PDE, not that I remember there was much response.. Banging Head On Wall

But never mind, Xmas is coming and think of the fun you can have stuffing that turkey Big Grin!
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Post ID #8683 (Level 1.2)  Reply to 8634
Reply Posted 12/18/2002 2:22:00 AM
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Jedstar is quite right
>>App Framework DOES NOT create a runtime environment<<
which is something I maybe should have added to my earlier post.

Just to complete the explanation the basic AF is simply a wizard for producing the shell of an application which has a menu system and entry type screens, for a simple application I still think it's ok as everything gets set up for you. But, like any other Paradox application it needs Runtime to make the thing work, the .exe icon being a bit of a misnomer as it's only a quick way of firing up Runtime with your application to front it.

And in the light of all this, your quote -
>>And also for future reference how do I create an application outside of the framework if I have to be able to release the final product independent of Paradox?<<
Does that mean you want to distribute the applcation as a standalone or are your network and XP problems et al going to compound this further..
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Oh yes, I too have P9 Developer and I too fell for the PDE blurb. You think you've got problems now, well just wait till the PDE gets involved - with an app the size of what you have It Will Be Fun!

The PDE looks good and even feels so-so good but that's really about all, despite what you specify it decides where to put things including your alias's and as I said it also has this magical trick of always producing copies of the original forms when you think you've deleted them all!

It does however have one use, which is to install a copy of runtime.

Do you want me to try to look back and see if I can find what I did to get something installed?

And finally. A lamb for Xmas.. is that stuffed in the traditional manner with wellies..? Eek!

Thats enough of that. Ed.

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Mac, as regards the PDE lets beg to differ, but with hand on heart would you really recommend it to Leo..

Mind you, remember that I still think the AF still has a place, somewhere.. Boxed In

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If you recall in my last earlier post I said I did think the AF had a place..

I'll leave the highly testicle bit about XPs and networking to Mac and Jedstar, but I can offer you the basement view, if it's too simple say so!

"Oh and i still have that question about how to start a app if you not using AF"
To put this into context you cannot start an app without the Runtime engine lurking in the background - as I said the app exe file\icon is really only a shortcut to Runtime and your app, it is not a typical .exe file as we all know it. Are aware what Runtime is?

So, to start your app without the AF bit.. fire up Runtime then start your app from that, simple. If one is clever you can get Runtime to startup with your app in all it's glory (rather like you can do with 'orrible Windows) but off the top of my head I can't remember how to do it - there's an admission!! Big Grin!

Mutton? That's thought of as a tough old thing in the UK and wellies are mandatory when dealing with BaaBaaa species of any size... Big Grin! Big Grin!
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Mac, of course I have no idea to what you allude Big Grin! but I would hazzard a guess it has a connection with the various bovid mammals of the genus Ovis and related genera, as in "it", as per your quote
>>I would explain why I found it all so funny nevertheless<<
[Duh]
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The MO (I like that) is pretty basic. If you look at the options Runtime offers, you can simply click on a Form, Report or a Script and it will fire up - that's all it takes. Look on this bit as AF offering a shortcut.

As for the wellies, well you obviuosly don't come Wales and as Mac pointed out this is almost a family site (?) so I'll send you a one-liner email!

Thats enough of that. Ed.

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I agree with Jedstar and it was a deciding factor when I bought P9.

Happy new year :)

Thats enough of that. Ed.

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Ah, I see the penny has finally dropped, I wasn't sure you had got it!
"So it seems that the whole program that we produce is in fact just forms displayed in the runtime and made to look like a real application"

I'm sure you are not the first and certainly not the last to be confused by this particularly if your first foray into Paradox is with P9 Developer as the blub implies that you can create an executable application, which is of course true... eventually!

Soap Box It's just a pity that at the outset (or even on the box!) Mr Paradox did not give a fuller description of his brainchild and all the various parts thereof AF, PDE, Runtime et al.

Anyway, Happy New Year!
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Leo, I think you might be a closet Trekkie Roll Eyes and as regards "I have to state clearly that I do not own the "Captain Janeway" blowup doll" well that is probably true as I heard the Dr Spock model was the best 'cause you could hang onto the ears...... Yikes!
rt Bug!

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Mac, quits. I'm having enough trouble with Delphi let alone ansi-C Geek Alert!

Is that plane you use as your avatar a prototype Enterprise? See, I'm learning all about you hidden Trekkies - particularly as regards beaming-up what with the short runway and winter winds we have here!
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Leo, try browsing with the XP workstation to the location of the NET file, just to verify that it can get there. Also, make sure any old *.LCK files are delted from the workstation.
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Yikes! AF bad.

Anyway, if there was an idapi merge, then it may be possible that a public alias was changed - but I think that it's very unlikely. However, you can check the alias paths and verify that quickly enough via the alias manager.
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I have no trouble with the PDE. It is a bit quirky, but once you figure it out it's not too bad.

"And finally. A lamb for Xmas.. is that stuffed in the traditional manner with wellies..?"

Now that's just WRONG... Yikes!
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No RT, you are right, I recommend the PDE only to experienced Paradox developers/users.

I really have not had any recent (key word - there was a learning curve) problems with it and I've distributed about 15 apps to date. One of which has been installed by a significant number of computer illiterate people all across the great state of Texas. Geek Alert!
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I would explain why I found it all so funny, but this is a public forum.
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RT, all I can say is that you are lucky to live on such a small island in the middle of nowhere. I think you would be overrun by angry trekkies for that 'Dr.'(sic) Spock reference.

For a 'real' programming language, try ansi-C, then come back and ask me why I switched to Paradox Soap Box
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Well, I got nothing on these guys:

http://homepage.mac.com/starshipexeter

They made their own Star Trek episode.... Not a bad job, but I wonder how long it will take Paramount to shut them down.
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"The workstation can access the app and edit the files but the program won't run."

Meaning, it opens to the right directory, I'm guessing, but won't run a script or form or ??

"Edit the files". You mean tables, or other files?

Is it possible that THIS particular workstation ISN'T using the shared IDAPI.cfg?
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One other potential 'issue'....

Is 'G' on that workstation mapped EXACTLY the same as on all the others?
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Mac I can see the .NET file when I browse from the XP box. Tell me abit about the .lck files please cos whell there are milions of them on..

Delete ALL pdx*.lck files from that machine. Paradox will recreate the necessary one(s) as it needs to.


..click the blue gears in Project viewer or run the .exe file in the..

Umm. Is this an Application Framework app? They CAN be tricky to move. AF is a good tool to learn Paradox (let it create stuff, then see how it did it), but I would recommend recoding that app and moving away from AF as quickly as possible -- if it is indeed an AF applicaion.
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After rereading your last post, I'm more convinced that this is an AF-built application.

Have you checked for .cfg/.ini files on that machine to see if App Framework is setting any parameters you may not be aware of?

If you are able to edit Paradox tables from that XP box while others are using the app on other workstations, then it probably isn't a lock file issue. I'm betting the AF is setting some stuff on startup that is causing the problem.
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Uh, that should have been p*.lck files.

They are actually paradox.lck and pdoxusrs.lck

And I become more convinced by the minute that AF is reassigning the PRIV upon starting. Perhaps to a shared drive/directory where others are working. And yet that BDE error is as if the NET dir isn't the same as the other machines.

Well, and it almost seems like it is shifting to a new idapi file in midstream; but that's not possible. Leastways, not that I've ever heard.

But Leo, you said that WHILE OTHERS are using the app this workstation was able to ALSO access the tables - right? (If not, this will help tremendously.)
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outside of the framework if I have to be able to release the final product independent of Paradox?

A common misconception.

App Framework DOES NOT create a runtime environment.

You must still have Paradox on the machines you distribute your app to.
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Since the error said you must set the location for the .net file, you may also want to try to locate .net files on that XP box.

Then do a search for that path in files on that XP box. It may help you find some 'stuff' that you aren't aware is going on.
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Also, to eliminate the BDE as a concern, how about renaming the idapi/idapi32.cfg from that XP box.

Then, if Paradox complains about not having the cfg file, you'll know that it is pointing to the wrong config file.
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And also for future reference how do I create an application outside of the framework if I have to be able to release the final product independent of Paradox?

Move it to Delphi? Visual Basic?

App Framework or not, your app user(s) will HAVE to have Paradox, or Paradox Runtime, installed on their workstation(s). No way around it.
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I was NOT suggesting that he actually move to one of those other environments.

I was trying to subtly point out the options were MUCH worse than staying with Paradox and biting the bullet on a redesign.

Guess I missed the mark. :)
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"Oh and i still have that question about how to start a app if you not using AF."

Do you mean 'start it from an icon'? Or do you mean 'get started programming it'?

I think most of us create a startup script that gets the app running.

To activate it, you create an icon that starts Paradox, as normal. Then you add a space and the path/name to the startup script.

As to what Mike thinks, he's stated here on the forums that he no longer recommends the AF, since P10 no longer has it.
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Leo,

You said "Our full developer version of Paradox 9 ‘s licence will not allow us to distribute the Pdox Runtime with the app,..."

I don't believe that is true.

If you have the Developer's version of P9, it DOES allow you to distribute Runtime with your apps.
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"we learn to expect to be producing a real program"

Rather, "fully self-contained".

You ARE creating a real program. :)
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What, they rent them? Bomb!
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Move it to Delphi? Visual Basic?

This sounds easier than it is. With 234+ tables and who-knows-how-many forms, it would be quite an undertaking to go to Delphi, VB, or even .Net. We've done quite a few conversions of this magnitude, and I'd be inclined to say "if it ain't broke, don't fix it".

Of course, if you've got concerns about mainenance and keeping the app up with the technology, and you want to get away from Paradox, you should at least get a Feasability report from us first. Your company may discover that it's far cheaper just to fix the A.F. app to work on XP, and deliver Paradox to every customer.
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Post ID #8700 (Level 1.34)  Reply to 8634
Reply Posted 12/18/2002 3:13:00 PM
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Jed we've spent a lot of time to get the setup right. We have G mapped exactly the same on every all workstations.

We can edit all paradox files from the XP mashine including tables, forms, scripts, sql, reports, queeries, the whole lot, and changes are saved and it works on the other workstations also. The whole app that we are building won't run on the XP box though - meaning if you click the blue gears in Project viewer or run the .exe file in the directory you get that error I showed at the top.

It is possible the XP box may not be using the shared IDAPI.cfg, since under prolonged and hard interogation the operator of that station admitted to having accidentally hit Object->Merge Configuration in BDE. Could this have caused the problem?

Mac I can see the .NET file when I browse from the XP box. Tell me abit about the .lck files please cos whell there are milions of them on that harddrive, so that could easily be it.

thanx for the patience guys
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Post ID #8662 (Level 1.35)  Reply to 8634
Reply Posted 12/16/2002 9:56:00 PM
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Yes this is an Application Framework app. Yes I inherited it Big Grin!. Our founder did it when she was starting out and learning from Mike Prestwood’s Mike Prestwood Power Programming book and so this is how it ended up. Because there is already more than a person / year’s work in the app we can’t start over now. We’re up to 234 tables and all the forms that go with that for the interface (It’s a complicated specialised financial system). Is there any way I can get it out of the framework without screwing everything up? And also for future reference how do I create an application outside of the framework if I have to be able to release the final product independent of Paradox?

Ok so I’m sure it’s not a lock file issue after deleting them all and testing like you said. There’s also nothing wrong I can see in IDAPI. The most probable cause now is something that AF loads at start up. I couldn’t find any thing in .ini of .cfg files but there’s a lot of stuff so I’ll keep looking.
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Post ID #8682 (Level 1.36)  Reply to 8634
Reply Posted 12/18/2002 12:23:00 AM
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RT we're under a bit of pressure now so we'll be working all the weekdays but Christmas and New Year Harrrrr. To recover the hangover at least we can sleep the 1st hehe. Oh yea and we don't do turkey in Africa - more probably a leg of lamb Big Grin! (You thought I was gonna say elephant but I did say Civilized Africa Big Grin!)

It seems I’ve not yet imagined all the problems I’m going to have to face on this one. PDE was in the cards from very early in the development though we didn’t know much about any possible complications. Our full developer version of Paradox 9 ‘s licence will not allow us to distribute the Pdox Runtime with the app, but apparently the PDE is able to compile up the app to some sort of stand-alone form. I haven’t seen this but my boss has so I won’t argue. In this state BDE goes along but the Runtime doesn’t and our license allows that. Like I said I won’t argue with the boss.

Anyhow.

How do I avoid all this trouble next time then? I’ve gathered that under no circumstances should I right click Application with the globe icon in the Project Viewer and then hit New. What would you guys suggest from your years of experience with Paradox should the first 5 steps for a new project be? I mean apart from specification and the other on-paper planning stuff.

I have to say that if this program ever goes to version 2 I’ll have the interface in Borland C++ Builder – feasibility or no. Builder is sooooooooooo much simpler on complicated stuff and connects well with Paradox and most other databases. Maybe I just feel more at home there.

I’ll keep trying all the suggestion now. I’ve double checked the IDAPI.CFG and found it had been reset to one on the XP box C drive. I’ve set it back to the shared one on G and now I’ll have to keep checking to see if it gets reset again. There was also a .net file in C that I renamed and found a second copy that had been renamed before. Weird. Least it seems we can keep working. I just hope the error doesn’t screw it all up later cause then we’ll lose more work.
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Post ID #8707 (Level 1.37)  Reply to 8634
Reply Posted 12/19/2002 12:11:00 AM
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OK so i'd better get experianced then. Big Grin! hehe
Mind I wonder what Mike Prestwood think of this discusion since in their PCC all aplications have to use the AF and none of you guys want to use it any more.

Oh and i still have that question about how to start a app if you not using AF.

About the lamb its not really a freshborn baby sheep, more like a young one thats not got tough meat yet. We don't stuff stuff mostly we roast it. Oh and its not like a whole sheep just a leg at a time and the shoulder that goes wioth it - I would have said leg of mutton but i wasn't sure the American's amoung us would know what that was LOL Big Grin!
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Post ID #8728 (Level 1.38)  Reply to 8634
Reply Posted 12/19/2002 10:05:00 PM
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Wellies are like water tight boots right?
Stuffing a muton with wellies then must be a euphimism for "Kicking a sheep in the ass with a rain boot" - am I close?

Arrr I wish I wrote clearly the first time. By "How to start a app witout the AF" I meant: What whould be my modus operandi (MO) if I inteded to produce a new appication in Paradox9 without the considerable drawback of the involvement of the AF?
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Post ID #8748 (Level 1.39)  Reply to 8634
Reply Posted 12/23/2002 6:01:00 AM
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I spent most of yesterday going over our licenses and stuff and you are right. We can distribute unlimited copies of the runtime with our product (subject to certain conditions of course). However we aren’t allowed to distribute the Runtime installer – I find that interesting. So it seems that the whole program that we produce is in fact just forms displayed in the runtime and made to look like a real application. It never gets misteriously transformed into a real application at all like i was led to believe. I think I understand it better now.

I wish they had put every thing in one agreement though it would be easier than having to look in the help files if and how the agreement applies to every different component.

Any-how. Thanks for the help with this stuff you really got me on the right track.
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Post ID #8776 (Level 1.40)  Reply to 8634
Reply Posted 12/30/2002 10:20:00 PM
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I think I had this misunderstanding 'cause I come from a C++ (Real programming) background and we learn to expect to be producing a real program.

Any hows "Live long and prosper"-ous new year to you too Big Grin! This had better be the last Star Treck referance i mike for a while or people are gonna think I'm a nerd. I have to state clearly that I do not own the "Captain Janeway" blowup doll Big Grin!
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Post ID #8781 (Level 1.41)  Reply to 8634
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Wahoo Mac they went to a lot of trouble. Pew I’m not that big of a fan really not even close.

I really like C++ Builder but I took the course. We then had to do a project in Java and I was so frustrated I just hate java. Learning Opal is ok since I know about programming already like if conditions and while loops but the code is totally different form C++. Java just differs enough from C++ to really confuse every thing.

Only thing I can complain about Opal is that its new to me, and maybe those unpolished bits of Paradox where something just refuse to work like this sharing with the XP box. Btw that error is back again all new and fresh and with a vengeance. So we’re back on this post and working out the errors from the top. Arrrrrrrrrrrrr
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